03 OLEM EDGE GLOBAL CONCEPT: It is fraudulent to escape the law with claims of being a gospel minister – Rev. Isaac Boluwatise.
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Rev.
Isaac Boluwatise is an articulate and probing minded minister of the gospel,
who just started a new work in the ministry, Zion Heights Church. He also
lectures at the LIFE Theological Seminary of the Foursquare Gospel Church,
Nigeria, with his favourite course of ‘Sociology’.
In
this interview with our Editor-In-Chief, Oladipo Emmanuel, Rev. Isaac talks
about what he perceived on the just concluded general elections in the country,
the roles of the church in government, and the need to accelerate the spread of
the gospel.
-Excerpt.
How would you describe the just concluded
general elections in the country Sir?
I will define it
as a divine intervention in Nigeria affairs. Objective minds would agree with
me that we have come to a point where it was like we were stocked: it is not
there was no activity and not
that the government was not working, but the
mobility and the progress that we need in Nigeria are not there at all. An
average person on the street is frustrated: the way the elections happened can
only be God. We heard people saying, on the street, that change has come. Of
course that was the slogan of one of political the parties during the campaign,
but beyond political sentiment or whatever, it is obvious that God had started
a new thing in Nigeria: Change has come.
Would you say that the peace, instead of
internal conflicts, experienced after the elections was a happenstance or that
God made it to happen?
To say it was a
happenstance would be an attitude that does not appreciate God at all. If you
know of the tensions in the system before the elections came, we cannot say
that it was a coincidence that there was peace – it was God, because things
would have been worse. People were already afraid: a number of people were
already thinking of alternative arrangements for safety, but God beat their
imaginations and things worked out well. It was God; it was not coincidental –
at all.
It was reported that some so-called
ministers of the gospel travelled abroad with their families, while some only
took their children abroad – regarding the possibility of the conflicts that
might breakout during and after the elections. Would you please share your
opinion on why those ministers could do that?
I never heard of
anything like that. Are you talking about government ministers or ministers of
the gospel?
Ministers of the gospel Sir.
I’m hearing this
for the first time, and if it happened at all – it is an attempt to defeat the
gospel that we preach. Sincerely, we are living in a generation where people
don’t live up to what they preach. When I was growing up in those days I knew
about a minister that would say do what I say; don’t do what I do: it is a very
dangerous tendency of an example for the teeming followers that we have in the
church today. For a minister to be afraid of what is going on and because of
that moved his family out of the country was actually a revelation to the
secrete in a number of the early church, today. A number of people are in the
church, today, for their comforts: conscious of their comforts – they are not
in touch with the infirmities of the people, they don’t even know what an
average person, in a grass root, is passing through. How do you say that to
them (the congregants), when a Pastor they are looking up to becomes the person
who is running away: who will be there for them in times of need?
Even in those
days (as youths) when there was an uprising in school and the school authority divided
our department so that exams could happen peacefully: many of us still have to
stay because our brethren who were on campus might need us. I think it’s not a
justice to the gospel at all. It’s a confirmation of what an average person (on
the street) thinks about ministers today, that ministers are into it for
business; they are not concerned about the people. They are there for their
belly: their comfort is their pursuit. If my members are here: I should be around
too.
Sir you said that when there was conflict
in the school and the management divided the department for a peaceful
examinations that you and some other people have to stay. Was it because you
were involved in school fellowship or what?
We have to stay
because we were leaders in the campus fellowship. The fellowship was not operated
(due to the management’s directives), but we understood that we have spiritual
oversight – should the people need us for anything.
Some Christians always say ‘I vote for Christ’.
What would you like to tell people in that category?
Some of those
spiritual clichés in the church can be very-very offensive, and some of us who
like to be free attack things like this. Now, let’s leave the Nigerian system
and go back to the scripture in 1 Corinthians: we read about the case of
division in the Corinthian church, planted by Apostle Paul. While Paul was away
– working in the cause of the gospel elsewhere, report came to him about the
division in the Corinthian church (where some said they belonged to Paul,
others said they belonged to Cephas, and some others said they belonged to
Apollos, while some say I belonged to Christ). When I was growing up, I usually
think that those who are more spiritual are the people that said they belong to
Christ in the congregation at Corinth until I became more knowledgeable about
the scripture that I knew they were all the same.
In fact, the
possibility is there that you will consider those who said they belonged to
Christ among them to be the proudest.
Coming back to
Nigeria situation, when people say I vote for Christ, it’s a release of their
mis-information: the expression of their ignorance; it’s an indication of the
form of the gospel that somebody is carrying. The form looks like the reality,
but it’s not the reality. A truly spiritual person understands things – the way
they should be. The spirit of the Lord teaches you; the scripture informs you.
I heard a few people saying they vote for Christ, and I think it was very-very
stupid (if you don’t mind my use of language: that’s the best way I can
describe this orientation). You cannot be voting for Christ when we are voting
for leadership in the country. If the church teaches that we have duties toward
the civic governance and solidarity toward the society, it becomes important
that we, as Christians, should be practically involved. If you say that you are
not going to vote, but rather you would be voting for Christ – it is feigning
the spirituality that is not even there at all: it’s an insult against the
cause of the gospel. You shouldn’t say that to the world.
It has been argued overtime that religion
and government should be separate entities. Does the scripture implore
Christians to obey government authority?
Religion and
government are separate entities, and everyone must understand that. If we
don’t understand that we will fall into the ditch where the Nigerian Church,
now, is politically fighting for the cause of the church. In the history of the
church, when the church got merged with the government – it looked like an
advantage, but on the long run became a disadvantage to the church. Carnality
became promoted, and ministers of the gospel became parlance prophets, you
can’t speak to the people – you can’t correct like the Jeremiah would do. We
need to understand the separation of the church and the state, except in
settings where, in their constitution, they refer to themselves to be a
Christian nation. The Prime Minister of Great Britain spoke recently that they
are a Christian Nation: their constitution promotes that, despite the fact that
they are as secular as they could be. The queen of England is a Matron to the
Church of England. The country we are in today cannot be compared with the
ancient Israel: Israel was, formerly, not a secular state but a Theocratic
Nation. In fact, the plan of God was that Israel would be under Him, but along
the line they wanted to be like other nations, yet the Kings, the Priests, the
Prophets, and the Judges were all serving under God. But in Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya,
and United States of America (so to say), there is secular state and the
separation must be there. The separation does not mean that we are not part of
the society: we owe duties and obligations to the government and the contemporary
church must understand this, because at the time when that instruction came
from the scriptures, 1 Peter, was at when the church was suffering to an
extent. Bible said submit yourselves to every institution that be, and they
cannot be without God.
Aside from demonstrating to be Christ-like
Sir. Who is the person that owes government ‘duties and obligations?’
I don’t really
understand that.
For example a Christian, especially
minister of the gospel, is stopped and would be detained because he is not with
his particulars during a stop and search operations. Then he says to the
officers that he is a minister of the gospel, therefore, he should be allowed
to go.
That’s
fraudulent. It worked that day; it may not work another time. There was a time
that I was part of FCIM (Frontier Chaplains International Missions). I didn’t
want to be part of it but I was talked into it. I never attended the meeting but
always paid the dues. The system then was that we put the sign on the dashboard
so that nobody questions, but it got to a time – I removed it. If they want to
search me, let them search me. Why did I do that? There was a time that
somebody told me ‘that is how you will be putting it there too’, and I
determined that day that anytime I’m stopped I will not say that I am a
minister of the gospel. I’m a citizen of Nigeria: if you now ask me what I do,
I will tell you. We should not use what we do to swindle.
When you know
that you are in error, let them find out that it was a sincere mistake and let
them overlook it for you to go. Let the issue of being a minister becomes a
secondary reference: allow discussion to lead to that. When you start with
being the minister of the gospel, you are rubbishing other ministers, because
there are law enforcement agents that are not reasonable like the ones that
minister met that day. Some would insult you, and ask if being a minister of
the gospel says that you should not have your particulars with you. We need to
present ourselves as citizens of the country, especially when we are
intercepted by law enforcement agents.
Let it show that
we are law abiding. Don’t you have your papers? I don’t have it. Why don’t you
have it? I forgot it. How can you be claiming that you forgot? Sincerely I
don’t make this mistake. What do you do? I’m a Pastor. That’s how you people
will be…: Well I’m a Pastor and not everybody. But we need to make sure that we
respect the gospel: it is greater than us and we cannot be using it as
camouflage to cover our wrongs.
The person that
owes government a duty is everyone under the government. I don’t care if you
are the great Bishop in the land unless in a system like the Great Britain,
where the Christian Leaders are considered to still be part of social leaders.
You won’t stop an Arch-Bishop of Canterbury on the road, especially when you
know that he is the one coming.
Unless in such
cases, you cannot use being a minister as an excuse not to obey the government:
we all have a duty to the government.
Are there other ways than obeying the
government in which Christians could contribute to the development of their
country Sir, especially Christians in Nigeria?
The cause of the
gospel is an advantage to the human society. When we say to people, give your
life to Christ, and God loves you: He has made the provision for your
salvation, and a man believes that and got saved.
What happens to
him? His life is transformed. If you were an unbeliever and I also was one,
then we got saved: our lives are changed and we now think the Christians way
and begin to love individuals accordingly. Imagine the gospel spreading across
the entire world like that: it would be better for the society.
So, you will
discover that inside the nuts of the gospel is also the duty of social
transformation, and the church has the responsibility to transform the society.
The scripture I will use here is Acts 1:1, when Luke was writing the records of
Acts to Theophilus. When you obey the government, you also teach the people how
to obey the government. Let your life be an example, let the church be a voice.
Teach it: don’t just obey the government. Let the church cry out loud where
things are not appropriate.
I’m getting
passionate these days, but I don’t want to stress myself beyond my limit, and I
thank God for the opportunities and the possibilities that He is giving us. If
I have access to the incoming government, one of the areas where I will like to
advice is that the government should look into the reform of the civil service.
People call
themselves civil servants and they are not serving anything. The church must be
a voice; we must teach our people within the church to represent Christ
everywhere they are. When we do things right, we affect the people in the
society too. As we preach the gospel, social transformation is part of the
drive that should be behind our minds.
Let us digress a little by looking at ‘who
is Rev. Boluwatise Isaac’.
Yeah. I’m the
person sitting before you (smiles). I’m Isaac Boluwatise from Western part of
Nigeria, Osun State – married to my beautiful wife (I believe you have seen her
before). We are blessed with two boys. By December it would be 23 years that I
have been in the ministry, and over the years it’s been quite interesting.
There have been very-very tough times: there have been very-very wonderful
times too. A number of misunderstandings are coming in today, and some people
need to cry out loud and insist on the truth as we found in Jude 23, because it
is the truth that makes us to be more like Christ and do our best for God. I
have found something fascinating that the joy in the ministry is not in what
you are socially or materially, but in the impact that you make in the lives of
the people, which could only be as a result of the group of people that are
working with you.
How was growing up like?
I was a Pastor
boy, and growing up was a bit fascinating. Just like my own story – it was
beautiful times; tough times. We don’t have much of what we would love to have
in those days. My dad wasn’t rich. I was a teenager when I decided that I was
not going to have anything to do with the gospel at all but over time, I looked
back and I appreciate the upbringing that I received. My dad was very strict, I
was telling my son recently and he was smiling. I’m not the best of persons,
but I think that the little people see in my life makes them to commend me.
You just started an entirely new work in
the ministry. What gave birth to the new work Sir?
The drive for
this new work, apart from the clear cut words, is from the eschatological
scriptures that talk about the last days and the roles of the church. Luke 1:79
says that when Christ came He was to be the light to those that sit in
darkness, so that He may provide guidance for them in the way of peace. Matthew
4:16 tells us that He came as the light to those who are in darkness, and is
revealed as light to those who are in the regions of the shadow of death. Jesus
will come very-very soon, but we don’t know when it could be. There are still a
number of pending things. The truth is being bastardised. A number of people
know the words but they don’t know what it can do: a number of people don’t
know the words talk-less of what it can do in their lives. Many people are
walking with the Lord, but they have not received the liberty that will make
them become all that God wants them to be, and that is part of the drives that
we have for this work. In Isa 2:2, the scripture says now it shall come to pass
in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established
on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted on the hills. It’s saying
that the church is going to have visibility. It’s not going to be the political
strength that some people are thinking or in the military might, but it’s going
to be in the might of the gospel. The gospel is the power of God unto
salvation. Souls will be saved; the church will be visible; and the gospel will
be preached around the world. Zion Heights came to make her own contributions
in the direction which the Lord has given to us. In addition to that, the
church is the agent representing Christ on earth, and anything you want to do
on earth, today, must be based on the church. One of the errors today is that
some people believe that the church has failed, but no matter how the church
has failed – the church still remains the agent that Christ is using on earth.
The para-church organisations that we have, still, cannot do it as the church
would do it. The church is the body of Christ on earth, and we are trusting in
the Lord to do all that He will allow us to do by pushing the gospel around the
world before the end would come.
You are obviously a busy person, but how do
you relax Sir?
How do you know?
Of course sometimes you say that you work
all nights when it is time to discuss the gleanings, and that you are tired –
you will need to relax a little.
Well. I’m making
myself busy. I found out in life that those who work the best are not those you
mount pressures of responsibilities upon. I got myself busy because I need to
seek the face of the Lord; I feed myself because I need to feed (teaching) a
lot of people. I need to seek the Lord’s face to have directions for the
future; I need to hear from Him (God) so that I can speak to the people. All
this makes me to be busy. I love to pray, I love to read, and I love to write.
Any advice to the church Sir?
I believe that
the church should be aware that our attention must be on the gospel than ever
before, due to the time that we are in – in the history of the world. We should
focus on the gospel; social transformation. I’m not talking about social gospel
where the gospel is returned to social matters. We must concentrate more on
gospel, social transformation, and national transformation – rather than
getting political. One thing that is offending me today is how we are trying to
fight for the safety of the church through political and other means. If we
concentrate on the cause of the gospel: the gospel will survive through the
travails around. Boko Haram and ISIS cannot stop Christ and the advancement of the
gospel. You know when we understand that the church is not in this organisation
that we are trying to protect, we will be at peace. The church is an organism,
alive. It receives its life and directions from Christ; Christ is the head.
To be thinking
that the church will be mistreated is to say that Christ is dead, it can’t. I
will build my church, beyond what we can do, and the gate of hell shall not
prevail against it.
So, we should
busy ourselves with what Christ has committed into our hands instead of running
after political arrangement that makes us to be guilty of what we are accusing
the world of.
Okay, thank you very much Sir for granting
me the audience and I will like to say that you look good.